December 06 2017 @20:30 UTC 🔼

Pad is here: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/1/view/TwY2I1O2fXJ5o0Z-TORkpg/B575BJq+ET9iJOoJnu0TblxDFdgmxEBeUsvPqW2HaJ8/

Meet here: https://vdc.dyne.org/devuan

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Present: blinkdog, evilham, fsmithred, gnu_srs (IRC), golinux, KatolaZ (late notes on pad), parazyd, rrq

Agenda 🔼

Old Business 🔼

Old Actions 🔼

  • ACTION: @jaromil give katolaz access to the current dak installation
  • ACTION: give access katolaz/parazyd to packages.devuan.org
  • ACTION: @jaromil give access to discourse for evilham
  • ACTION: (KatolaZ) put list of mirrors *somewhere* for Evilham to pull it
  • (Evilham) this can be GL, a website, on the mirrors, ... :) doesn't matter
  • ACTION: put the list of package mirrors on the webpage

New Business 🔼

  • (golinux) How are we going to work around Dan's absence for ascii release? Would not be happy if that proves to be a blocker (yet again).
  • (parazyd) so far so good. discuss later.
  • Check DAK's config for basic stuff like ascii-proposed not having binary-all or sources (check for other suites)
  • This blocks base-files
    • (KatolaZ) I think we cannot have two versions of the same package in all and in any. This cannot be solved. The easiest way would be to revert base-files to any (and have a package for each arch)
  • /etc/debianversion fsr says ubuntu has /etc/debianversion. ideally, we should have it as well and track whatever debian version we are
  1. e.g. jessie/jessie, ascii/stretch.

New Actions 🔼

  • ACTION: test out debsources on some server.

blinkdog 🔼

  • virtualbox install bug #166
  • cloc-all-systemd
  • Occupied a core for 72+ hours running `cloc` on every commit in the systemd git repository

dimitsos 🔼

  1. Maybe we should point to https://sourceforge.net/projects/exegnulinux/ instead. It would also be nice if we contacted David Hare.
  • (golinux) Who is that 'we' if not you?
  • (dimitsos) First of all, I can't edit Devuan's page. Secondly, if I had his e-mail I would have contacted him already.
  • (golinux) You now have his email. Go for it.
  • (fsmithred) dzz has been MIA since last spring. Would love to hear from him.
  • (golinuz) No response from him so far
  • (golinuz) [DONE] Will put up the sourceforge link

fsmithred 🔼

  • SOLVED: I need to know if and when slim will be repackaged for ascii or if we will use another display manager. If the latter, then the slim dep in task-xfce-desktop needs to be changed. If neither of these things happens, I need to figure out which packages to install in the desktop live without using the task package.

parazyd 🔼

  • built eudev + udev transitionals for ascii with Svante's help
  • ascii users will now be forced to eudev. already live on pkgmaster, should hit auto.mirror/packages.do in the next 24 hours
  • should we change the website urls from auto.mirror to deb.devuan.org ?
  • (Evilham) If there are no downsides: will do it over the weekend
  • (KatolaZ) Hold on: I would prefer to have at least the DNS RR in place first
  • latest util-linux is also in ascii with the exception of arm64
  • our arm64 odroid can't build util-linux since it has possible hardware issues regarding this specific situation. we'll try to get some arm64 computing power in asap. (telmich could be lending us some computing power soon :))
  • we need to delete obsolete ssh packages from ascii and use upstream again
  • who is attending tasksel?
  • (KatolaZ) I did for jessie. Will leave it until the very end maybe (we must know what is in and what is not)
  • (Evilham) will move forward work on the "PkgShaper" thing looks like a good option
  • will work on better version recognition for amprolla3 since there are some false positives appearing in oldpackages.txt
  • will work on better logging for amprolla3 since we don't have a good way to log unhandled exceptions with cron jobs (no, redirecting to a file is not a good option)
  • (KatolaZ) I suggest using rsyslog, from each thread. My2cents
  • should we stop merging architectures that are not x86/arm until we get actual build hardware?
  • are we preparing for the actual stable->oldstable and testing->stable switch? probably KatolaZ will know more when he's into dak. Centurion_Dan says he won't be back before xmas.
  • (golinux) Good grief . . . Guess we'll have to do it without him.

golinux 🔼

  • Contacted by sahil on irc about this issue. Is there a way to provide NM without making it mandatory? Seems there should be a way to do that in expert install. Is there a fix on his end or is it on our end?
  • (Sahil) I had one issue in both amd64 and i386 DVD iso, NetworkManager, ModemManager and usb_modeswitch are included in DVD but it won't be installed in normal "Install" or "Expert Install"
  • (Sahil) I tried few things to install NetworkManager and its dependences many times I even tried to chroot to the devuan from Debian Live image, I think the release engineer will know the issue and fix it in the next release.
  • (Sahil) Most of the users in development countries are using USB Modems(mostly Huawei) and NetworkManager are the first thing we need to continue using a recently installed distro.
  • (Sahil) I saw wicd in Live iso, but it dos not support Mobile Broadband (usb modem). NetworkManager will recognize the modem when ModemManager and usb_modeswitch are installed with NetworkManager. These packages are included in the DVD iso but it can't be installed
  • (Sahil) I first tried "Install" and in "Select and Install Software" I choose-d " ..... Xfce" with the other defaults groups like ( [*] Devuan desktop environment , [*] Print server] , [*] Standard system utilities ).
  • (Sahil) I also tried "Expert install" with [*] .... Xfce , but NetworkManager nor modemmanager and usb_modeswitch are not
  • Plugging away on the theming. I had forgotten what a brain twister it
  1. Will hopefully have a version ready for testing soon. Am a bit behind because I've had to deal with hardware issues. If APC still provided ethernet connections on their consumer UPS, I would now have ascii installed on metal. They are phasing that feature out on their consumer units because "everything is going wireless". Finally found one but won't arrive for over a week. And then the HD in my DVR died and then . . .

Evilham 🔼

  • Not much to tell this week, #Hack4Glarus from the lovely people at ungleich was very interesting, they have big plans which will end up intersecting with devuan's :)
  • Got a VPS that is going to be running devuan-related bots.
  • PkgShaper bot is advanced, hopefully will work on it this weekend and have unattended-upgrades fixed.
  • After that going to try tasks / virtualbox / ...

KatolaZ 🔼

  • we are done with the transition to the new ganeti configuration
  • nemesis has been shut down now. newtonia and napier are in charge
  • created ASCII minimal-live images - they work
  • worked a bit on reportbug to fix smtp_host problems
  • going through the list of bugs affecting ASCII -- prioritising them for the sprint
  • slowed down on dak/aptly- hope to have time to work on them this week-end